that old adage, winston churchhill, about a lie getting spread all over the world. >> and the story was already debunked before it appeared on "hannity." and fox pushed this other story within the last few days about a cancer survivor who was going to not have insurance, and just basically die if he -- you know, the cancer came back. and they had him on, and an insurance broker got in touch with him off the air and said wow, you still have insurance. you didn't get cancelled. again, that story did not hold up. fox has not addressed that issue. >> there is something kind of sick about it. these are actual people lying. people are defending these stories, i don't begrudge them anything. but to sort of manipulate people this way, scaring people as we are trying to just clear away the confusion. again, i say this to conservatives and said it about the website and will say it to them again, if you think it is so bad, it is going to play out in your favor. and that was true about the website, don't shut down the government, let the website launch, if you think the whole policy is bad let